The media is manufacturing consent, with the Party, for Kamala Harris to be one of the leading candidates for president - and nobody's going to try to stop it?
If you sounded less deranged, I might listen to your argument. In fact I wish that were the case because I really enjoy well thought, well articulated contrarian takes. Too bad you fail on the first two.
No hurt fee fees here. More like friendly advice that if you truly hate the corporate media, you might want to avoid ther outrage machine tactics, unless.... You like the attention (subscribers/sales) it brings you?
Well, in spite of being against the duopoly, pointing out corruption and anointing does seem to bring in interest, and it's what I've been dedicated to exposing and destroying. The corruption at the top of some of our labor unions too. Subscribe. You'll definitely hear things the DNC doesn't want you to know. Or don't. all good, but not many people seem to think what I wrote is deranged. What IS deranged is vote shaming people into accepting and supporting an anointed candidate who won as many primary states as I did.
Ok, let me restate the deranged label (which insn't helpful, so apologies on that), and say perhaps hyperbolic or inflammatory. I commend you for exposing corruption and wrong doing at any level, god knows the DNC , unions, bascially any place of power has it... its human nature unfortunately. But regarding the Harris choice, 1) it was the most democratic choice seeing as she was already on the ticket. Most people accept that they are voting for president and potential president in a ticket... In fact a mere formality such as Biden resigning would have given us the EXACT same outcome with the understanding that the new incumbent president Harris had a virtual lock on the nomination. 2) It was clearly within party nominating rules, since rules obviously allow delegates to change nominee if the pledged nominee drops out. If you think an open/brokered convention was the answer, then you basically wanted Trump to win, as Harris would have still won, just with Trump much stronger by then... and most importantly, 3) 90% percent of Dems agreed with Kamala as the nominee, which again, is pretty damn strong proof that democracy won out, as she would have received enough votes even if a new utterly useless primary was carried out.
So, if you're gripe is that an actual nominating election wasn't carried out, you don't understand that in the U.S., as in other democracies (e.g. UK), the party is the one that decides how and when to nominate a candidate. It just so happens we go the extra mile and have primaries to ensure people are heard (which I'm really glad we do). Either way, and like it or not, Harris was in every sense, the choice of a vast majority of Democrats, and therefore deserved the nomination. As for vote shaming? Do whatever you want, it's your future.
No, we ain't. But in any case at all, we as a left need to gather up in some level of large group, to defend ourselves from either of these parties after November.
If their attacks are electoral, we respond electorally; if they wanna do worse, we can fight them on that level too.
But only if we have a structure, and a political party is a structure.
Concerned that replying to substack writers who are bravely using their names may be compromising our safety.
So it has come to this! This is how easily we can be intimidated. Being courageous for oneself is one thing, but
considering harm to family adds such a moral dimension. This is how the German Nazis stifled dissent, of course,
so easy. I lived in Germany for some time 20 years after the war and although careful not to ask the kind people who welcomed me to their country what they did during the war was treated never-the-less to defensive and interesting
accounts of how they coped and justified their coping.
Interesting article and enjoyed reading it - thank you.
Honestly I don't think the US Crapitalist ruling class gives a shit who runs in the duopoly brands - because they're both conveniently controlled by them. Either way, their chosen middle management (aka US politicians) remains employed in government to do their bidding. In a true sense, said ruling class is just like any other employer in this system - every employee is replaceable and disposable to them.
Nothing will ever change for the better for the majority as long as systems like crapitalism (and its successor system fascism) are in place for the rich and powerful to use to exploit. And certainly no elections within crapitalism will change that..
The only thing I can see that remotely has a chance of changing things for the better for all, is a broad social/political movement that aligns people in a way that the ruling class can't undermine.
And, with the ongoing accelerated pace of climate change, time is running out.
Nothing ever changes for us Republican voters either.
RINO it is.
But why?
Because change is ILLEGAL.
Look at Domestic Laws and Foreign Treaties.
Domestic; APA, Humphreys Executors means Civil Servants can’t be fired.
The 2/3 budget by law can’t be discretionary, SS, Debt servicing, etc.
Foreign; NATO, IMF, etc. we have hundreds of bases abroad because of treaty obligations.
There’s not much left to elected officials discretion, unless they unravel everything from the New Deal and WW2-Cold War forward. What Congress does this? Even the Founders would only move because King George promised to hang them , later because Washington and the others pushed through the Constitution to restore order.
Congress has of course fled at the approach of the British repeatedly, probably at the rumored raid of Stonewall Jackson, 9/11, and now J6 Grannies. Congress would probably flee from a lost Troop of Girl Scouts with the wrong Tour Map. The laws will not be changed.
The President can’t fire anyone except political appointees, legally. This is unconstitutional, but LAW.
"Nooo my Turd Sandwich is still way preferable than the Giant Douche!"
"No Douche at all cost! All cost!"
Repeat ad nauseam.
One would think that people at least slow down in their demonstration of blind loyalty to the Party since it's obvious now their choice is obsolete and both options lead to ruin. Maybe it's time to look out for another system entirely? Or at least deny this one? But hardly so. Fearmongering proves to be an excellent tool once again.
6 out of 10 in the 18-34 demographic are idiots according to polling, now back to you Jane. If only we could get Aykroyd and Curtain to do the news SNL style, it's not even like the writers would need to work that hard. Kamala locking up parents of truant kids and loosing their jobs right up KamKam's alley. I have taken to calling her Fentaynl Tits and make zero apologies. How many are dead?
Yes, once again I agree. Protest is being criminalized by the Democrats. It's still preferable to the National Guard. The people in the fight against Israeli genocide will continue to protest. They currently have legal protections.
In your article you insult the entire electorate. You seem to think people are stupid. By all means, sit this one out.
If I correctly remember my US history, a democratic president called the national guard out against student protesters on a college campus and killed 4 students. If I recall current events, a Democratic mayor called out the NYC PD on student protesters quite recently (fortunately, no one died this time.)
Nancy - Indie didn’t say people were stupid. Stupidity isn’t what this is about.
If you would like to see the end result of a lifetime of living in a bubble and being fed unending streams of ongoing bullshit, look no further than the state of Israel, where the majority of the population seems to have been driven insane. The genocide going on there is supported by the vast majority, whether liberal or conservative. I don’t assume this is because the people there are innately ‘bad’ or ‘stupid’ - more, they have been brainwashed and traumatized through the years to the point where they have lost the ability to see things in any different way.
That’s happening here. We have been siloed into two camps - and once in those camps we become rabid in defending the team leaders, excusing their crimes, and blaming the other camp. Our msm caters to each group, feeding the groups a diet of bullshit propaganda. Team Red insists Team Blue are communist totalitarians of the ‘radical far left’ who want to have post birth abortion and all children to be transexualized. They actually believe this shit. Team Blue is told that team red is made up of toothless ignorant knuckle draggers who want to imprison women and restore slavery and usher in a new era of totalitarian Christian fascism, and Team Blue is utterly terrified.
In reality, from a policy perspective, neither the Republican nor Democratic leadership actually leads on much of anything. They take their orders from donors and multinational corporations, and exist to manage the corporate state on behalf of those entities. At the end of the day, the differences between the parties are a matter of cosmetics and branding.
Sorry, I think you're deluded. The difference couldn't be starker. Fear mongering, huh? Please don't condescend to me. Trump '25 is a threat to our rights. And we do have rights. Protest is still legal. (It wouldn't be.)
You have all the legitimate rights that you ever had, girlie. You just don’t have that pretend ‘right’ to sacrifice your babies to Molech any time up until & after delivery, as was the case before Dobbs reversed Roe v Wade.
In no state in this country was abortion ever legal “up to and after delivery”. That’s a flat out lie. Late term abortions, which were rare, were only legal if necessary to save the mother’s life. I’m dumbfounded that a doctor would talk of abortion AFTER delivery. How do you abort a child AFTER it’s been delivered, ie born? It’s nonsensical. Abortion means removing the fetus from the uterus. If the baby is no longer in the uterus how do you abort the pregnancy which is already over. Pregnancies do end when a child is born. I’ve heard my otherwise very intelligent sister make the same statement. Then scrolling through YouTube 20 minutes later I saw a clip of Trump making the same statement. I’ve always been curious as to how one aborts an already delivered child. Do they club them like baby seals? I’d like to see a list of doctors who performed these imaginary abortions on delivery day or AFTER delivery. What’s the allowable time limit between delivery and abortion? Does it have to be done within an hour of delivery or can you wait 20-30 years and, if the not yet aborted person commits a crime, you can take advantage of capital punishment. I’ve always been terrified of the overlap between supporters of capital punishment and those who oppose abortion. Every life is precious until you screw up and then it’s lethal injection (often with medication that veterinarians ceased using years ago because the “patient” can suffer pain before death).
My bad, I was recalling Virginia then Governor Ralph Northam’s discussion of what to do with a baby that was born after a failed late term abortion born alive, and his comment that the physician should have a discussion with the mother about whether to resuscitate and care for the baby or let it die, which sounds to me like optional post natal abortion. That a physician would even contemplate such a course of action and that it would provoke universal condemnation shows how far the profession and society has fallen. This was current at the same time as some ‘ethicists’ had published a paper supporting post natal abortion and specifically avoiding the true term of infanticide, because of the bad press it would garner.
I remain unconvinced, regardless of the legal status of post natal abortions that they do not occur with some frequency in certain jurisdictions with liberal laws and a strong pro abortion ethos in the l as y and professional culture and would absolutely be covered up in those institutions and jurisdictions.
Since presidential assassination attempts are rare and successful attempts even rarer (on the order of late term abortions, would you assert?), should we not worry about either one, as you seem to be suggesting.
So, I confess to being in error with my assertion that there are jurisdictions that allow postnatal abortion and am sorry for asserting such. It seems clear to me that there are those in my profession and in society at large who are comfortable with that, and Dem politicians have resisted any upper bounds on how late a pregnancy may be terminated legally.
In the case of a living child, one that could be saved after the procedure was performed in order to save the mother’s life, the only instances of their being a decision to be made was in cases where the child would only live for a matter of hours and possibly be in pain. In those instances it would seem logical to allow the mother/parents to be part of that decision. Having two daughters of my own I can’t imagine any mother, after carrying a child for 7-8 months, would just change their mind and decide they didn’t want a child after all. If the child was healthy, near term, but had a temporary breathing issue that could be fixed, again, I can’t imagine any mother not fighting tooth and nail to save that child. Regardless of the mother’s feelings I find it difficult to believe that a doctor who has devoted their life to bringing babies into the world would sit back and fail to resuscitate a healthy infant. If any doctor failed to resuscitate any person of any age, without a DNR order, it would be malpractice at least and murder at worst (or manslaughter depending on intent or mens rea). Again, I can’t imagine any mother of a healthy, viable baby not fighting for their baby’s life. To the contrary, I’ve known pregnant women who, when diagnosed with cervical cancer, wanted to continue their pregnancies, risking their own lives to have that baby.
I don’t pretend to speak for all women or all women who have carried a child. Knowing how deeply attached I became to my children long before they were born I really can’t imagine a mother who didn’t opt for an abortion in the first two trimesters suddenly changing their mind in the last trimester. The bond between mother and child is no less strong during the pregnancy than it is after birth. Maybe there are legions of pregnant women who change their minds about having a baby at delivery, but in my 71 years I’ve never met one. Not that one doesn’t question one’s sanity when you’ve not slept in weeks!
Again, I don’t know that many obstetricians but the ones I do know (as well as other doctors) would go to the ends of the world to save a healthy child. They might have qualms about resuscitating an older, terminally ill patient who didn’t have a DNR.
I don’t support killing of another person whether it’s a politician or “regular person” including the epidemic of mass shootings. I certainly would never support the killing of a healthy or viable baby delivered early either from an abortion to save the mother’s life or from any cause. I also don’t support state sponsored killing whether it’s capital punishment or war. I think every life is valuable. When countries or states take up sponsored killings they damage the society at large, supporting the theory that some lives are more valuable than others. It’s ok to kill “them” because our lives have more value.
I have a hard time being respectful of people who would kill their own flesh and blood, for that is what abortion is all about. It’s one thing for a woman to confess that in a moment of desperation or weakness or fear or under coercion she let someone kill her baby, for that woman I grieve and have compassion as she has been abused by our culture and the abortionist and abandoned by her lover.
It is another thing to respect a person who champions such a great evil defiantly, though at some point I would hope that she has an epiphany and repents of the great evil that she chooses to celebrate. My attitude likely doesn’t hasten that day, and I should disrespect her more gently, perhaps with a flaccid member.
you know, when you have the power to create another human being with your body, you get to decide whether or not to bring it to life. Until you have that power, you can just fuck on off. God didn’t give you that power over life and death. He, did however, entrust it to me. Ya’ll need to learn your proper place. You are a donor of sperm, and in the circle of life, it really is your only role. Women were given the responsibility and privilege of bearing and raising children. Therefore, it is also their responsibility to determine if and when they are spiritually, physically, and financially able to do it properly. Your only evolutionary dog in the game is a 5 minute or less sexual congress.
And yet I defend real women against the real misogyny of Trans ideology.
And I will remind you that at least half the babies who are aborted are girls/females/little women— sex selection abortion almost always kills the girl babies.
The DEMOCRATS are the ones criminalizing protest & dissenting speech, but keep blaming one side instead of the Uniparty they ALL belong to. I love how you call me delusional and tell me not to be condescending, while simultaneously being condescending. Perfect Kamala voter. Thanks for making my point. You accepted what you were spoon fed and now are shaming others into accepting it too. No thanks, sister. Peddle that nonsense elsewhere.
Well, there will be an election in any case. Delegates voted for the ticket. They supported Kamala as VP. As to your not being on any side, I really can't believe you don't recognize the danger that Trump represents. For me that invalidates your position.
Sorry, intending to reply to delusional dangerous Nancy.
It has been over 2 weeks since they (deep state) tried to assassinate him. Unless you are an ENT who has done a deep Medline search or did research on superficial battlefield ear pinna wounds, I will excuse your comment as weak and ignorant sardonic disparagement of a potentially lethal assault.
From my experience with razor cuts, even wounds in highly vascular areas (the whole face & head) don’t bleed immediately. A hot projectile will also likely cause some degree of temporary superficial cauterization of wound. He reported that immediately put his hand to his ear, and when he noted that it was bleeding, he immediately dropped to the floor. At that point the blood ran down across his face as photos document.
My experience with razor cuts is that the time delay to significant blood can be consistent with how long it took for blood to be seen on camera,etc.
As far as time of healing, the ear is very vascular as pointed out before and as such absent infection will begin healing quickly. We don’t know (and have absolutely no right to know) the details of his subsequent treatment, but I am sure that he has access to the most advanced wound treatment, including plastic surgery techniques that are being developed to speed healing, and I have seen nothing about the state of his wound, so I can’t speak to its current appearance even though I was in Harrisburg working the crowd to recruit poll watchers (bet had to leave before he arrived.
For me that reinforces that you are getting blasted with fear mongering propaganda from MSNBC, WaPo, CNN, NYT, NPR and their satellites - broadcasting 24/7 hysteria over a guy who was already President and the world didn't end.
I am NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP.
I am NOT VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT.
Trump didn't give $200B to Azov Nazis the past few years. That was the Democrats for a proxy war to replace the Afghanistan military black hole.
Trump didn't fund an active ethnic cleansing and act like it wasn't happening. That is what the Biden Admin is doing in Israel and Gaza RIGHT NOW. Kamala will do the same.
4 more years of word salad guaranteed
If you sounded less deranged, I might listen to your argument. In fact I wish that were the case because I really enjoy well thought, well articulated contrarian takes. Too bad you fail on the first two.
Thanks for reading lol
Sorry it hurt your fee fees
No hurt fee fees here. More like friendly advice that if you truly hate the corporate media, you might want to avoid ther outrage machine tactics, unless.... You like the attention (subscribers/sales) it brings you?
Well, in spite of being against the duopoly, pointing out corruption and anointing does seem to bring in interest, and it's what I've been dedicated to exposing and destroying. The corruption at the top of some of our labor unions too. Subscribe. You'll definitely hear things the DNC doesn't want you to know. Or don't. all good, but not many people seem to think what I wrote is deranged. What IS deranged is vote shaming people into accepting and supporting an anointed candidate who won as many primary states as I did.
Ok, let me restate the deranged label (which insn't helpful, so apologies on that), and say perhaps hyperbolic or inflammatory. I commend you for exposing corruption and wrong doing at any level, god knows the DNC , unions, bascially any place of power has it... its human nature unfortunately. But regarding the Harris choice, 1) it was the most democratic choice seeing as she was already on the ticket. Most people accept that they are voting for president and potential president in a ticket... In fact a mere formality such as Biden resigning would have given us the EXACT same outcome with the understanding that the new incumbent president Harris had a virtual lock on the nomination. 2) It was clearly within party nominating rules, since rules obviously allow delegates to change nominee if the pledged nominee drops out. If you think an open/brokered convention was the answer, then you basically wanted Trump to win, as Harris would have still won, just with Trump much stronger by then... and most importantly, 3) 90% percent of Dems agreed with Kamala as the nominee, which again, is pretty damn strong proof that democracy won out, as she would have received enough votes even if a new utterly useless primary was carried out.
So, if you're gripe is that an actual nominating election wasn't carried out, you don't understand that in the U.S., as in other democracies (e.g. UK), the party is the one that decides how and when to nominate a candidate. It just so happens we go the extra mile and have primaries to ensure people are heard (which I'm really glad we do). Either way, and like it or not, Harris was in every sense, the choice of a vast majority of Democrats, and therefore deserved the nomination. As for vote shaming? Do whatever you want, it's your future.
So are we ready for a new left party, right after this bilge-wash of an election, to contest midterms in 2026?
Because as heavy as that lift seems, it's lighter than during a POTUS year; and Duopoly coffers to oppose it will be much emptier.
You aren’t voting your way out of this.
No, we ain't. But in any case at all, we as a left need to gather up in some level of large group, to defend ourselves from either of these parties after November.
If their attacks are electoral, we respond electorally; if they wanna do worse, we can fight them on that level too.
But only if we have a structure, and a political party is a structure.
No
These are the questions!
Nope! I’m not voting for her or the other. Maybe I will not voting at all.
None of the Above!! Welcome to the team.
Please identify who you are, the people or persons behind Indie, before asking one to subscribe.
I am anonymous to protect my family from crazy stalkers, no thanks
Concerned that replying to substack writers who are bravely using their names may be compromising our safety.
So it has come to this! This is how easily we can be intimidated. Being courageous for oneself is one thing, but
considering harm to family adds such a moral dimension. This is how the German Nazis stifled dissent, of course,
so easy. I lived in Germany for some time 20 years after the war and although careful not to ask the kind people who welcomed me to their country what they did during the war was treated never-the-less to defensive and interesting
accounts of how they coped and justified their coping.
.
Understand…makes sense.
People who think they will get a bottom-up, middle-out economy from a top-down political party that excludes their votes. #Election2024 #economy
None of the Above!
Interesting article and enjoyed reading it - thank you.
Honestly I don't think the US Crapitalist ruling class gives a shit who runs in the duopoly brands - because they're both conveniently controlled by them. Either way, their chosen middle management (aka US politicians) remains employed in government to do their bidding. In a true sense, said ruling class is just like any other employer in this system - every employee is replaceable and disposable to them.
Nothing will ever change for the better for the majority as long as systems like crapitalism (and its successor system fascism) are in place for the rich and powerful to use to exploit. And certainly no elections within crapitalism will change that..
The only thing I can see that remotely has a chance of changing things for the better for all, is a broad social/political movement that aligns people in a way that the ruling class can't undermine.
And, with the ongoing accelerated pace of climate change, time is running out.
Thanks for the comment! Glad this resonated. Totally agree.
Relax. Your ballots are being filled out again as Harris, not Biden. This will boost seasonal employment.
Dumb
Dumber
The Party.
The party usually goes through the charade of “letting the voters decide”
THE PARTY.
We have one party rule, for now.
Sorry - I was without coffee yet. Yes, the Uniparty rule is what I said - nothing fundamentally changes.
Nothing ever changes for us Republican voters either.
RINO it is.
But why?
Because change is ILLEGAL.
Look at Domestic Laws and Foreign Treaties.
Domestic; APA, Humphreys Executors means Civil Servants can’t be fired.
The 2/3 budget by law can’t be discretionary, SS, Debt servicing, etc.
Foreign; NATO, IMF, etc. we have hundreds of bases abroad because of treaty obligations.
There’s not much left to elected officials discretion, unless they unravel everything from the New Deal and WW2-Cold War forward. What Congress does this? Even the Founders would only move because King George promised to hang them , later because Washington and the others pushed through the Constitution to restore order.
Congress has of course fled at the approach of the British repeatedly, probably at the rumored raid of Stonewall Jackson, 9/11, and now J6 Grannies. Congress would probably flee from a lost Troop of Girl Scouts with the wrong Tour Map. The laws will not be changed.
The President can’t fire anyone except political appointees, legally. This is unconstitutional, but LAW.
So we don’t elect our government in decades.
We elect PR flacks.
Because change is ILLEGAL.
Well, Indie, by all of the flak you're getting from all of these Democult trolls on this thread, I'd say you must be over the target.
"Nooo my Turd Sandwich is still way preferable than the Giant Douche!"
"No Douche at all cost! All cost!"
Repeat ad nauseam.
One would think that people at least slow down in their demonstration of blind loyalty to the Party since it's obvious now their choice is obsolete and both options lead to ruin. Maybe it's time to look out for another system entirely? Or at least deny this one? But hardly so. Fearmongering proves to be an excellent tool once again.
#JustAsBad
Amen, brother
6 out of 10 in the 18-34 demographic are idiots according to polling, now back to you Jane. If only we could get Aykroyd and Curtain to do the news SNL style, it's not even like the writers would need to work that hard. Kamala locking up parents of truant kids and loosing their jobs right up KamKam's alley. I have taken to calling her Fentaynl Tits and make zero apologies. How many are dead?
Yes, once again I agree. Protest is being criminalized by the Democrats. It's still preferable to the National Guard. The people in the fight against Israeli genocide will continue to protest. They currently have legal protections.
In your article you insult the entire electorate. You seem to think people are stupid. By all means, sit this one out.
If I correctly remember my US history, a democratic president called the national guard out against student protesters on a college campus and killed 4 students. If I recall current events, a Democratic mayor called out the NYC PD on student protesters quite recently (fortunately, no one died this time.)
Nancy - Indie didn’t say people were stupid. Stupidity isn’t what this is about.
If you would like to see the end result of a lifetime of living in a bubble and being fed unending streams of ongoing bullshit, look no further than the state of Israel, where the majority of the population seems to have been driven insane. The genocide going on there is supported by the vast majority, whether liberal or conservative. I don’t assume this is because the people there are innately ‘bad’ or ‘stupid’ - more, they have been brainwashed and traumatized through the years to the point where they have lost the ability to see things in any different way.
That’s happening here. We have been siloed into two camps - and once in those camps we become rabid in defending the team leaders, excusing their crimes, and blaming the other camp. Our msm caters to each group, feeding the groups a diet of bullshit propaganda. Team Red insists Team Blue are communist totalitarians of the ‘radical far left’ who want to have post birth abortion and all children to be transexualized. They actually believe this shit. Team Blue is told that team red is made up of toothless ignorant knuckle draggers who want to imprison women and restore slavery and usher in a new era of totalitarian Christian fascism, and Team Blue is utterly terrified.
In reality, from a policy perspective, neither the Republican nor Democratic leadership actually leads on much of anything. They take their orders from donors and multinational corporations, and exist to manage the corporate state on behalf of those entities. At the end of the day, the differences between the parties are a matter of cosmetics and branding.
Brilliant and a wonderful appendix to my piece!! Thank you. Couldn’t have expressed it better.
Uh Nancy, they were using the National Guard, IIC, but just not properly and proactively.
thanks for the advice, Nancy.
I think I will grab my megaphone now.
#NoneOfTheAbove
#NoneOfTheAbove
#NoneOfTheAbove
#NoneOfTheAbove
100 Million Americans aren't wrong!
Sorry, I think you're deluded. The difference couldn't be starker. Fear mongering, huh? Please don't condescend to me. Trump '25 is a threat to our rights. And we do have rights. Protest is still legal. (It wouldn't be.)
You have all the legitimate rights that you ever had, girlie. You just don’t have that pretend ‘right’ to sacrifice your babies to Molech any time up until & after delivery, as was the case before Dobbs reversed Roe v Wade.
Keep your panties on and you will be fine.
In no state in this country was abortion ever legal “up to and after delivery”. That’s a flat out lie. Late term abortions, which were rare, were only legal if necessary to save the mother’s life. I’m dumbfounded that a doctor would talk of abortion AFTER delivery. How do you abort a child AFTER it’s been delivered, ie born? It’s nonsensical. Abortion means removing the fetus from the uterus. If the baby is no longer in the uterus how do you abort the pregnancy which is already over. Pregnancies do end when a child is born. I’ve heard my otherwise very intelligent sister make the same statement. Then scrolling through YouTube 20 minutes later I saw a clip of Trump making the same statement. I’ve always been curious as to how one aborts an already delivered child. Do they club them like baby seals? I’d like to see a list of doctors who performed these imaginary abortions on delivery day or AFTER delivery. What’s the allowable time limit between delivery and abortion? Does it have to be done within an hour of delivery or can you wait 20-30 years and, if the not yet aborted person commits a crime, you can take advantage of capital punishment. I’ve always been terrified of the overlap between supporters of capital punishment and those who oppose abortion. Every life is precious until you screw up and then it’s lethal injection (often with medication that veterinarians ceased using years ago because the “patient” can suffer pain before death).
My bad, I was recalling Virginia then Governor Ralph Northam’s discussion of what to do with a baby that was born after a failed late term abortion born alive, and his comment that the physician should have a discussion with the mother about whether to resuscitate and care for the baby or let it die, which sounds to me like optional post natal abortion. That a physician would even contemplate such a course of action and that it would provoke universal condemnation shows how far the profession and society has fallen. This was current at the same time as some ‘ethicists’ had published a paper supporting post natal abortion and specifically avoiding the true term of infanticide, because of the bad press it would garner.
I remain unconvinced, regardless of the legal status of post natal abortions that they do not occur with some frequency in certain jurisdictions with liberal laws and a strong pro abortion ethos in the l as y and professional culture and would absolutely be covered up in those institutions and jurisdictions.
Since presidential assassination attempts are rare and successful attempts even rarer (on the order of late term abortions, would you assert?), should we not worry about either one, as you seem to be suggesting.
So, I confess to being in error with my assertion that there are jurisdictions that allow postnatal abortion and am sorry for asserting such. It seems clear to me that there are those in my profession and in society at large who are comfortable with that, and Dem politicians have resisted any upper bounds on how late a pregnancy may be terminated legally.
In the case of a living child, one that could be saved after the procedure was performed in order to save the mother’s life, the only instances of their being a decision to be made was in cases where the child would only live for a matter of hours and possibly be in pain. In those instances it would seem logical to allow the mother/parents to be part of that decision. Having two daughters of my own I can’t imagine any mother, after carrying a child for 7-8 months, would just change their mind and decide they didn’t want a child after all. If the child was healthy, near term, but had a temporary breathing issue that could be fixed, again, I can’t imagine any mother not fighting tooth and nail to save that child. Regardless of the mother’s feelings I find it difficult to believe that a doctor who has devoted their life to bringing babies into the world would sit back and fail to resuscitate a healthy infant. If any doctor failed to resuscitate any person of any age, without a DNR order, it would be malpractice at least and murder at worst (or manslaughter depending on intent or mens rea). Again, I can’t imagine any mother of a healthy, viable baby not fighting for their baby’s life. To the contrary, I’ve known pregnant women who, when diagnosed with cervical cancer, wanted to continue their pregnancies, risking their own lives to have that baby.
I don’t pretend to speak for all women or all women who have carried a child. Knowing how deeply attached I became to my children long before they were born I really can’t imagine a mother who didn’t opt for an abortion in the first two trimesters suddenly changing their mind in the last trimester. The bond between mother and child is no less strong during the pregnancy than it is after birth. Maybe there are legions of pregnant women who change their minds about having a baby at delivery, but in my 71 years I’ve never met one. Not that one doesn’t question one’s sanity when you’ve not slept in weeks!
Again, I don’t know that many obstetricians but the ones I do know (as well as other doctors) would go to the ends of the world to save a healthy child. They might have qualms about resuscitating an older, terminally ill patient who didn’t have a DNR.
I don’t support killing of another person whether it’s a politician or “regular person” including the epidemic of mass shootings. I certainly would never support the killing of a healthy or viable baby delivered early either from an abortion to save the mother’s life or from any cause. I also don’t support state sponsored killing whether it’s capital punishment or war. I think every life is valuable. When countries or states take up sponsored killings they damage the society at large, supporting the theory that some lives are more valuable than others. It’s ok to kill “them” because our lives have more value.
I agree with you that Nancy has been BlueAnoned, but I also agree with Nancy that you are a disrespectful misogynistic prick.
I have a hard time being respectful of people who would kill their own flesh and blood, for that is what abortion is all about. It’s one thing for a woman to confess that in a moment of desperation or weakness or fear or under coercion she let someone kill her baby, for that woman I grieve and have compassion as she has been abused by our culture and the abortionist and abandoned by her lover.
It is another thing to respect a person who champions such a great evil defiantly, though at some point I would hope that she has an epiphany and repents of the great evil that she chooses to celebrate. My attitude likely doesn’t hasten that day, and I should disrespect her more gently, perhaps with a flaccid member.
you know, when you have the power to create another human being with your body, you get to decide whether or not to bring it to life. Until you have that power, you can just fuck on off. God didn’t give you that power over life and death. He, did however, entrust it to me. Ya’ll need to learn your proper place. You are a donor of sperm, and in the circle of life, it really is your only role. Women were given the responsibility and privilege of bearing and raising children. Therefore, it is also their responsibility to determine if and when they are spiritually, physically, and financially able to do it properly. Your only evolutionary dog in the game is a 5 minute or less sexual congress.
Jasmine is NAFO and has been removed
You are delusional.
Back at ya.
Well, misogyny suits you perfectly. No need to engage further.
And yet I defend real women against the real misogyny of Trans ideology.
And I will remind you that at least half the babies who are aborted are girls/females/little women— sex selection abortion almost always kills the girl babies.
The DEMOCRATS are the ones criminalizing protest & dissenting speech, but keep blaming one side instead of the Uniparty they ALL belong to. I love how you call me delusional and tell me not to be condescending, while simultaneously being condescending. Perfect Kamala voter. Thanks for making my point. You accepted what you were spoon fed and now are shaming others into accepting it too. No thanks, sister. Peddle that nonsense elsewhere.
Well, there will be an election in any case. Delegates voted for the ticket. They supported Kamala as VP. As to your not being on any side, I really can't believe you don't recognize the danger that Trump represents. For me that invalidates your position.
Never Trumper, eh? Were you crying when you heard that the assassins missed? Is you name a pen name for exSS agent Cheatle?
Oh Roger, why do you assume I am a shitlib? I did not celebrate his ear boo boo which has miraculously healed faster than any ear boo boo in history
Indie, have you ever been shot or even shot at?
Don’t go there (you are hinting that it was staged, I believe)—that is flat earth, we didn’t go to the moon crazy territory .
Sorry, intending to reply to delusional dangerous Nancy.
It has been over 2 weeks since they (deep state) tried to assassinate him. Unless you are an ENT who has done a deep Medline search or did research on superficial battlefield ear pinna wounds, I will excuse your comment as weak and ignorant sardonic disparagement of a potentially lethal assault.
From my experience with razor cuts, even wounds in highly vascular areas (the whole face & head) don’t bleed immediately. A hot projectile will also likely cause some degree of temporary superficial cauterization of wound. He reported that immediately put his hand to his ear, and when he noted that it was bleeding, he immediately dropped to the floor. At that point the blood ran down across his face as photos document.
My experience with razor cuts is that the time delay to significant blood can be consistent with how long it took for blood to be seen on camera,etc.
As far as time of healing, the ear is very vascular as pointed out before and as such absent infection will begin healing quickly. We don’t know (and have absolutely no right to know) the details of his subsequent treatment, but I am sure that he has access to the most advanced wound treatment, including plastic surgery techniques that are being developed to speed healing, and I have seen nothing about the state of his wound, so I can’t speak to its current appearance even though I was in Harrisburg working the crowd to recruit poll watchers (bet had to leave before he arrived.
For me that reinforces that you are getting blasted with fear mongering propaganda from MSNBC, WaPo, CNN, NYT, NPR and their satellites - broadcasting 24/7 hysteria over a guy who was already President and the world didn't end.
I am NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP.
I am NOT VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT.
Trump didn't give $200B to Azov Nazis the past few years. That was the Democrats for a proxy war to replace the Afghanistan military black hole.
Trump didn't fund an active ethnic cleansing and act like it wasn't happening. That is what the Biden Admin is doing in Israel and Gaza RIGHT NOW. Kamala will do the same.
I am NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP.
I am NOT VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT.